cheat ????

In case one who is finally having not just me it's the Infinity has the face but yesterday we took the match on video you will see the trajectories of this famous flanders and the imaginary frets you hear us talk over there a lot of nervousness in please let us excuse I post this video of the match and before long you'll see for me because this guy has been registered for four months trackmania and have a level like that is no more with him and real suspicion of cheating.

Nico

like nico, these trajectories are strange. He never wastes time

I really get tired of all that reproaches of being a cheater towards Flanders.
Dont forget that Fool and Flanders know each other in real life and that Fool teached Flanders this game, which explains his fast development.
However, Flanders will response here soon

well as lider of araQ i have to say something.

First we had a cheat before called Sder and we banned him due to it cause we checked his replays.

Regarding flanders when he applyed to us like we do WITH ALL araQ trial members i personally check his replays and i saaw nothing strange. If i did i would not accept him here.

About him and foold be the same guy we have a program to catch that and i guess the best way to see if that is true is a match between araQ and ATR1 cause booth will drive.

I understand that all of us want this game cheat free and i am one of those that is going after this cheat hunting so trust me i pay alot of attention to all

Regarding the ip send me the image where the ips are the same and where u saw the ip's so i can see it too.

As ofc so far i have No reasons to think Fool and flanders are the same, but we can solve this out this week.

@Fool plx m8 come and drive with us IMT which is a private competition but apper same day and time of flanders and i ask all drivers from TM to see the Relay so u guys can see once and For all that this drivers aren't the same. I will also post here the IP's and locations without masks so there is no doubt where this 2 drivers are from.

Hi all.

Although the bizarre appears on this forum.

It is true that this story parrait me a little dubious.

If we continue like this in 2 hours we will announce that Fool and Flanders are brother and lives in the same house which would cover the same ip address!

The ip address of Tm is the only way of cheating and controlled if the admins do not ignore, or are we going?

I do not want in any way to sow my lightning I veus that if there was cheating that admins take decisions.

Quite a preuveont already been made I think? (ip, level of play and aggressive behavior on the part of Fool.)

Apart from the organizing team I think the punishment should be even more severe if there was cheating.

Reflect for excuses or will we bring?

Go react Admins

Regards jack

Flanders is not my brother, just someone I know.

That makes me even more surprised, I don't understand why he's trying to fuck me up :l

Seriously.. this just makes me sick :l

Thanks Kai and Scorpx for your words. Fool already said he is ok with playing with Flanders, but i don't know about his schedule so we need to wait.

Another thing:

that website "ip-address.com" is not exact

I put my IP address there and it gives a location about 75km distant from where i really am... so it's far from being 100% exact. So for me, it DOES NOT serve as a parameter (if someone wants a proof of where I really live and where the IP address is shown, just PM me).

Nico and Jack: google translation of your posts is really bad, i don't quite understand them.

But I will let some things VERY CLEAR to everyone:

1) There is no 100% evidence of anything in this story

2) Fool and Flanders will have to race together at same time to prove they are not the same person

3) Fool is an ATR member for more than 2 years, and has never shown any sign of "cheating"

4) Fool is not only an ATR member, but also an ATR Admin and TRC Admin, so I will NOT doubt his character or honesty until someone give me a 100% proof about cheating

5) As Scorpx told about araQ, ATR is a RESPECTED team in the TM Community, as we never had a case os hacking or cheating in our members roster. So we will not accept our image or the image of our competition be destroyed because of this, unless there is a 100% proof about these facts - in which i don't believe there will ever be.

That said gentlemen, let's wait what both Fool & Flanders will say about a match.

ATR Team is OK with playing with araQ in any time and Fool already said he is OK too... let's wait for Flanders to tell us when is a good time for him.

Kind regards,

Alex


FOOL & FLANDERS, GET IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER AND SCHEDULE A DATE THIS WEEK TO CLEAR THIS UP.

well hurri flanders should be on in a few mins he is normally on at night arround this time.

regarding the IMT fool u can see the shedule here http://www.worm-team.be/board/index.php?page=Board&boardID=68 so u can see if u can be there

Hurricane wrote:

that website "ip-address.com" is not exact

I put my IP address there and it gives a location about 75km distant from where i really am... so it's far from being 100% exact. So for me, it DOES NOT serve as a parameter (if someone wants a proof of where I really live and where the IP address is shown, just PM me).

yes maybe location is not exact

BUT IP ADDRESS IS SAME


[2012/06/18 10:06:12 p.m.] Disconnection of flanders___ (82.169.171.120:2350))

IP address for this post : 82.169.171.120 [ 82-169-171-120.ip.telfort.nl ]


p.s
Maybe FOOL say what you currently have an IP address?

thx scorpx

i think we can arrange that very soon

just to illustrate what i said in one of my preivous posts about my IP addresses:



note that I use only 2 computers to post in this forum: home computer and work computer

VOD du match Araq vs Infinity

OK Dynamic IP

But yesterday, after the match Infinaty vs AraQ, FooL came to forum TRC with the same IP-address location, as it is today

this is what i have on my name and i only use my home computer. it's a normal tower pc, not a laptop.

And this is what ip-adress shows for me. Clearly wrong.

about the video.

Where u see the cheat?

and insulting flanders.. man i guess infinity have a bad lose way... now i see why u guys wanted to not drive... then we are the ones not playing fair?

shame on u infinity shame on u... that is all i have to say...

If u see a cheat show us WHERE send a video/replay now using the Tmlive to say BS that is low..

Infinity is not accuse Flanders of using a hack scorp.

What they are saying is......Flanders has been playng this game for 4 months and has perfect lines. Nobody and i mean nobody learns Dirt that fast.....we all know that , ask any of the top guys.

The whole TM Dirt community knows that there is something wrong with this Flanders player.

We know its not gear box hack etc......but this guy is someone else.

People just dont turn up in TM dirt and be that good....I think a public race off between the accused would be perfect.....and they are both very good drivers so we will know if something is up.

Infinity have every right to ask as does Dos. Dont think of them as the bad guys here.....this is the internet and there is a lot of shit that happens without people knowing.

ATR has had a cheat on there roster.....Wally??

but lets not confuse the issue here .....ATR is respected as are all teams....

well pampa my point is if they want to acuse they have to show prof i understand their point of view, not saying the oposite but after all the ideas i gave like a public race and all and u listen to tmlive video cause i heard a lot of bs unless my french is very bad. And ofc i am mad cause i already proposed an idea to sovle this out but still alot of cristicism.


So regarding this subject i think this topic should be close before we get this conversation even lower.

All i want is to ppl to yes show me prof if something is wrong not just write things... I know is wierd fland apper from nowhere right? But flanders is a older player he was playing 1 year ago and stopped till a few months. I know is wierd after all that cheat like cyborg and sder apper to public. But before any conclusion don't assume the worst till is proved.

this will be the last time i reply here till i see the match where flan and fool drives and i ask also to u Pampa too be there at the console with me so all TM comunity can have a neutral member also judging this case!


Regarding the IPS what it show is the central not the physical location so that is why may me not 100% correct.. ppl in 2 places diferent can have same ip to analise u nede to go further and get the Unique adress of the computer it selfs... that is the only way to see if is or not the same PC/IP ...

la pampa wrote:

ATR has had a cheat on there roster.....Wally??

but lets not confuse the issue here .....ATR is respected as are all teams....

lol no pampa

wally was a Trial (T)... that's why trials exist, to check their past and current actions

this is the first time any of us have seen this flanders person, and he drive better times then the best in dirt? go tell your stories somewhere else please...

hmph, had no reaction from him so far.. and now i'm gonna get some sleep

I would love to be there..... it should be the same track that was played in the weekend.

we can do this on araQ server if all agree with pampa on the console too

this is not a solution

everyone can drive with someones account you can ask friend to drive with your account if you gave him login & password

in that case problem solved???????????????


but you guys are the admins you decide
and i dont wanna break down your competition because its great and i love it

Ok right herbie, so what would you like me to do? To agree with everything you said and completely distrust my 2-year teammate without a 100% proof? ATR Admin and TRC Admin just because you want to?

Pease stop pushing like that, because that will not happen just because you want.

There are NOT a lot of players in this game that can race at Fool's and Flanders`s level. We are not idiots, we will see if they have the level, we will check their IP's, etc. You can be present if you want, in fact I would like you to be present or whoever else you find "trustable".

I just talked to Tortu and Kitos tonight and they said both Fool and Flanders were online at the same time during Qualifications in a TRC server doing AMAZING times.

You say "you don't want to break down" the competition but you keep putting obstacles to every alternative we find. So tell me, what possible proof would ever satisfy you? Fool taking a plane to Belgium? Both players going to your home and say "hello"?

Sorry, I am really going out of patience with this. One thing is to have doubts and complains and give them to us politely, without insinuations - which we appreciate - but another different thing is to think your opinion is supreme at all costs.

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SOOOOO:

Fool already got in contact with Flanders in the game, but he hasn't responded this night. Let's hope tomorrow they talk to each other and schedule a date to play... then any of you can join the server, call whoever you want... the Pope, Michael Jackson, whatever.